what is your problem with that, katrina? >> let's have a chatty script, interactive, not robotic script. i respect the idea of going door-to-door. i respect the feedback. here is a radical idea. keep those field offices in those towns and communities after the election. you want a real feedback -- >> it does not translate into policy. >> there is a difference. i think you said this during the break, chris. there's a difference between marketing and democracy. that line is getting blurred. we need to watch out for that. i respect the door-to-door, the volunteers. i want the feedback loops to go back. the first step is voting on election day and what follows is building out of politics. >> let's disaggregate the two questions. there's a question about the effectiveness of winning elections. there's not a lot of question about it to the extent you believe in controlled experiments and so forth. i'm looking at you guys over there. but, then there's a broader kind of moral political theoretical question about democratic theory, w